Episode 1
Be Who You Are for Your Pride!
What do Chris Brown, cults, and the question of who gets to belong have in common? Turns out, more than you'd think. In their inaugural episode, Chosen Kin hosts Harry and Bia dive into a wide-ranging conversation, from hot topics to redemption, accountability, and how Black folks navigate both. They explore the cult phenomenon, how social media has reshaped how we consume music and celebrity, and what authenticity actually looks like. If you've ever argued about a problematic fave or felt the tension between community and harm, this one's for you.
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Transcript
Hi, I'm bia.
Speaker B:Hi, I'm harry.
Speaker A:And we're chosen kin.
Speaker B:Hey, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:Welcome to the very first episode of Chosen Kin.
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:You know, I'm finding it.
Speaker A:I'm not crawling.
Speaker A:I'm walking, but I feel a little crawling.
Speaker A:My future, you know.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's kind of where I'm at these days.
Speaker A:But I was about to say there's nothing I can complain about, but there's plenty I can complain about, but I won't.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:How are you?
Speaker A:How are you?
Speaker B:You're allowed to complain.
Speaker B:You know, that is.
Speaker B:That is why, you know, we're here.
Speaker B:It's a vent.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker B:It's been a over this week.
Speaker B:Low key.
Speaker B:I'm ready for the weekend.
Speaker B:I'm ready to have a good time.
Speaker B:So that's where I'm at, basically.
Speaker B:But you've been up and about, you've hopping around, you know, this country, the seas.
Speaker B:You've been everywhere.
Speaker A:I'm screaming, but you're saying you're ready for the weekend.
Speaker A:You talk about me.
Speaker A:You also love a trip.
Speaker A:I think that's what we have in common, is that we both love a trip.
Speaker A:We love an adventure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I do love a trip.
Speaker B:But, you know, I haven't been traveling as much because of, you know, my funds kind of, like, depleted.
Speaker A:But you and everybody's, you know, and so.
Speaker B:But I did travel for my birthday.
Speaker B:I had a nice birthday trip.
Speaker B:It was a good time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:You know, got to go to Cleveland.
Speaker B:Had a great time in Cleveland.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, you know, that's.
Speaker B:That was pretty good.
Speaker B:And I know you were in dc, right?
Speaker A:I was in DC for a little bit for work.
Speaker A:And, you know, DC is not the same.
Speaker A:The streets are not filled with go go music.
Speaker A:I'm not seeing as much mambo sauce.
Speaker A:And there's a lot of the National Guard.
Speaker A:It's a lot going on.
Speaker A:It doesn't feel like D.C. anymore.
Speaker A:But, yeah, you know, you know, it's.
Speaker B:A different vibe for sure because I went there for creating change at the start of the year and it definitely gave that vi.
Speaker B:But I love the city, though.
Speaker B:I want to leave there.
Speaker B:Like, if you.
Speaker B:If someone's going to pay me,.
Speaker A:Please.
Speaker A:You're like shameless plug if someone wants to pay me, wink, wink.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And before I be like, oh.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, I want to be in D.C. proper.
Speaker B:I want to be.
Speaker B:That's where I want to be.
Speaker B:I think right now I have what you're going to say out of Maryland.
Speaker B:I would do.
Speaker B:Give me.
Speaker B:Is it Silver Springs or is that Atlanta?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:No, no, that's Maryland.
Speaker A:Everyone loves Maryland.
Speaker A:And it's cheaper.
Speaker A:It's cheaper.
Speaker A:You know, you know, I'm fond of that.
Speaker A:There's is legalization of the marijuans.
Speaker A:Okay, people, it is.
Speaker A:Silver Springs is cute.
Speaker A:I was like, I popped into Silver Springs really quick, but didn't get to stay too, too long.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker A:They say Maryland is so much gayer than.
Speaker A:It's like the gay era that DC had at one point in time.
Speaker A:But that's because everyone can't afford to live in dc.
Speaker B:Yeah, everybody's moving into the inter Maryland and stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you want to move somewhere.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I haven't spent too much time in Baltimore, but it's always called my name a little bit.
Speaker A:But that's just because I'm a DMV baby in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:So you're from Virginia, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm from Virginia.
Speaker A:But it's kind of complex when I tell people I'm from Virginia because I grew up there.
Speaker A:But all my mama's side of the family is Louisiana, Baton Rouge, Dad's side of his family, Richmond.
Speaker A:So I really feel split between two worlds.
Speaker A:It's a weird accent over here with my people.
Speaker A:You know, it's a lot of mix.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:And you're from Nigeria.
Speaker A:I always get scared to say Legos.
Speaker A:Everyone be like, you're not saying it.
Speaker B:Right, but at least you're closer.
Speaker B:You said.
Speaker B:You said ghost.
Speaker B:You said Lagos.
Speaker B:No, sorry.
Speaker B:It's Lagos.
Speaker B:It's Lagos.
Speaker B:It's Lagos.
Speaker B:But people say Lagos a lot.
Speaker B:Are you from Lagos?
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, I am the building blocks.
Speaker B:In the end, I feel like, you know, pronounce it how you want to pronounce it.
Speaker B:All the, you know, everything is.
Speaker B:It's just the name at this point, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah, but how do you feel first episode of the podcast?
Speaker B:Are you excited?
Speaker B:Are you.
Speaker B:You know, what.
Speaker B:What emotions are running through your mind right now?
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker A:I actually talked about this on threads.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:If you want to find my threads, please don't try for anybody listening because it's about.
Speaker A:It's a lot of random thoughts, proclamations, vibes.
Speaker A:But I was like, I did kind of sub thread you.
Speaker A:Is that a.
Speaker A:Is that a.
Speaker A:It's going to be one today.
Speaker A:A little sub thread.
Speaker A:You know how they be like subtweet.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was definitely like starting a business With a Taurus is not for the week.
Speaker A:I'm not weak, but let me tell y', all, Harry runs a tight ship.
Speaker A:A Taurus ain't nothing to play with.
Speaker A:A Taurus ain't nothing to play with.
Speaker A:I wake up to the sound text messages, I'm like, oh my God.
Speaker A:And it's Harry talking about, so can you send me this?
Speaker A:Can you send me that?
Speaker A:You have a headshot, you have this.
Speaker A:Can you send me a three sentence bio, a one sentence bio, and a two word bio?
Speaker A:And it's like, okay.
Speaker A:And I do comms too, but damn,.
Speaker B:Damn, to be fair, like, it's just to get the, get the thing on the road.
Speaker B:And I, and I think that what I've learned is that if you are thinking about doing something and you remain in the thinking, in the thinking space, you will never, ever do it, right?
Speaker B:But once you just put pen to paper, you start doing it.
Speaker B:Then she send the email, you create that Instagram page, you know, now you're forced to do something because people are exactly something.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, But I also feel like it's still those stakes because it's just us, we are running, we're running this shit together.
Speaker B:So it's, it's low stakes.
Speaker B:Like if we, if we had said we don't want to record till next month, who's going to come and beat us in our house?
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, you, nobody can self.
Speaker A:My internal self, my anxiety is going to whoop my ass.
Speaker A:But, like, how are you feeling?
Speaker A:Like this is podcast number two, right?
Speaker A:Like under, under the brand, under the production.
Speaker A:Like, how are you feeling about a second podcast?
Speaker B:I feel, I feel, I feel good.
Speaker B:I feel like, you know, my main podcast is very interview driven.
Speaker B:It's very serious.
Speaker B:We're getting to the crowds.
Speaker B:I like to say that people.
Speaker B:I'm exploring the lore of the people that I'm speaking with.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So it's like.
Speaker A:To disappear next year.
Speaker A:I'm tired of lower.
Speaker B:I love, I love the, I love the, I love the appeal that law has, right?
Speaker B:And so if they say you're a fan of XYZ and you're like, oh my God, I'm trying to Google this person.
Speaker B:I really enjoy their music or I enjoyed them in this show or whatever.
Speaker B: And then you Google, oh, in: Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I'm people who reveal a lot more in that, like, you know, in that vein.
Speaker B:And so for me, I'm like, that's what I.
Speaker B:That's what I'm building.
Speaker B:But it's also very, like, you driven is very like the person who is on the show is driving that conversation.
Speaker B:I'm excited to do something a little different where, you know, we are just having good conversation.
Speaker B:And I feel like every time that we have hung out, like, you always, like, you always give the.
Speaker B:You always give the commentary that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm never thinking about.
Speaker B:So I am.
Speaker A:You're so nice.
Speaker B:Excited to, like, just die.
Speaker A:I thought you were gonna.
Speaker B:Oh, no, you're so nice.
Speaker A:I was about to be like.
Speaker A:I thought you were gonna say, like, yeah, we just be talking shit.
Speaker A:And we do, but also it'd be ground.
Speaker A:They're grounded assessments, you know?
Speaker A:They are.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And you, like, talk a lot of shit, you know, and so.
Speaker B:And that's a.
Speaker B:That's a good thing.
Speaker B:That is a good thing.
Speaker A:You know, it's my love language.
Speaker A:Low key, but not too much on me, you know?
Speaker A:Wait, I'm sensitive.
Speaker B:Back up a little bit.
Speaker B:Turkish street is your love language to who?
Speaker B:Yeah, to a significant other.
Speaker B:To your friends.
Speaker A:Okay, significant other friends, my family.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:My, like, close, close friends.
Speaker A:And like, I like a little band.
Speaker A:I like a little banta.
Speaker A:As like the Brits say, I like a little banta.
Speaker B:So how does that work?
Speaker B:Is there a significant other that you're in love with?
Speaker B:How do you talk shit with who.
Speaker A:I'm and who with?
Speaker A:The present moment,.
Speaker B:I am talking about.
Speaker B:I'm talking about Bia.
Speaker B:You know Bia is in love with ex wife, right?
Speaker B:And they are out here talking shit.
Speaker B:What does that look like to the person who they are apparently in some romantic relationship with?
Speaker A:The apparently is hilarious.
Speaker A:But they.
Speaker A:I feel like they get it the worst.
Speaker A:No lie.
Speaker A:And I'm not mean.
Speaker A:But it's like, if you can't give a little banter, if you can't, like, I know a thing about me.
Speaker A:I'm close.
Speaker A:So you can call me clumsy as stuff happens.
Speaker A:As I trip you be like, damn, you can't do nothing.
Speaker A:That's funny to me.
Speaker A:You know, I don't take it too personally.
Speaker A:But there is a line.
Speaker A:There's a line.
Speaker B:What is the line?
Speaker A:So I feel like, don't offend me.
Speaker A:I kind of want them to tell, like, if I'm feeling a little sensitive that day, like, not too much, you know, like, not too much on me.
Speaker A:Not too much on me.
Speaker A:Poppy.
Speaker A:But it's like, then it's Like, I don't really show too much restraint, but it's like, ugh.
Speaker A:It's kind of hard.
Speaker A:But that's my leap, where I'm just like, I want you to know, even if I don't know.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker A:Like, I had a Taurus mama, so I don't like to joke too much.
Speaker A:Y' all be like, ooh, it depends, though.
Speaker B:I will joke if the joke is within reason.
Speaker B:You know, what's the reason?
Speaker A:That's the thing.
Speaker A:Taurus.
Speaker A:A Taurus joke.
Speaker A:Within reason.
Speaker A:But you can drag me by my hair and my fingernails, but don't let me say something about you in the slightest.
Speaker A:So what's the reason?
Speaker A:Because I don't feel like it is.
Speaker B:Some people would.
Speaker B:Some people.
Speaker B:This is the thing.
Speaker B:Some people don't know how.
Speaker B:Some people don't know how to joke in a controlled way.
Speaker B:They don't know how to talk within, you know, within the parameters.
Speaker B:They keep going on and on and on.
Speaker B:I don't know where to stop.
Speaker B:Emotional intelligence is always key.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the thing I feel like people are missing.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:You don't like.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:You're very much someone that's like, know when to cut the joke.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Know when to wrap it up.
Speaker B:Know when to reel it in.
Speaker B:People don't be knowing when to relate.
Speaker B:And I think that's the problem, you know, with this generation.
Speaker A:Not with this generation, Harry.
Speaker A:You are in this generation.
Speaker B:No, but you say, but it's.
Speaker A:The true.
Speaker B:People in the house are really inactive.
Speaker B:We're just joking.
Speaker B:We're just kidding.
Speaker B:No, we're not kidding.
Speaker B:Are we kidding for real?
Speaker A:Because there are.
Speaker A:There's truth in every little joke.
Speaker A:There's truth in a lot of jokes.
Speaker A:So you're right.
Speaker A:And maybe that's why I'm like, don't play not too much on me.
Speaker A:Not too much.
Speaker A:Don't be playing with me too much.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:But, you know, I asked that because of, you know, it's just very interesting to see, you know, when you are in.
Speaker B:Where you are in, you know, love or in, like.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:When you are in intense.
Speaker B:Like, it's very.
Speaker B:See, so I wanted to see what that.
Speaker B:What the dynamic will be where there is someone who is someone that you actually really like, you know, and how will you talk shit to them and keep it.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I think that's why I was asking.
Speaker A:I love how you asked me this, but it's like in the reverse you be asked, like, what's going on with your love life?
Speaker A:Dating.
Speaker A:Dah, dah, dah.
Speaker A:And then I ask you, and you'd be like, you're very particular.
Speaker A:You're very picky.
Speaker A:But you.
Speaker A:You never have a shortage of suitors, so don't get that twisted.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:I'm not pe.
Speaker B:I'm not picky.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:I feel like as you get older, so you try to.
Speaker B:You start to think and you start to want something that feels a little bit more substantial once.
Speaker B:I mean, I would longer.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I am now closer to 40, and so I try to be very intentional in how I date, you know?
Speaker B:And yet I don't want to be.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Shade to anybody.
Speaker B:I don't want to be 50 on the apps.
Speaker B:I don't want to be 50.
Speaker B:And the bar is trying to talk to someone.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker B:Like, that's not what God is calling me to do in my.
Speaker B:Sound a little specific as I become an elder.
Speaker B:I don't want to be one of those elders, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:But ain't nothing wrong with that.
Speaker A:At the same time, I feel like the ways that I learned how to be gay were from my, like, lesbian elders who, like, I'm leaning in for actual lesson, and they're just like, don't stop fucking.
Speaker A:Whatever you do is transformative.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Les.
Speaker A:Til you can't.
Speaker A:Les no more.
Speaker A:That's kind of how they poured it into me.
Speaker A:And I just be like, damn.
Speaker A:And shout out to my queer and trans elders who have taught me so much, but they're spicy.
Speaker A:They teach me that, like, don't take life too seriously.
Speaker A:Show up how you're supposed to show up.
Speaker A:Like, be everything to your community and don't stop fucking.
Speaker A:And that's kind of crazy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And guess what?
Speaker A:They look great.
Speaker A:So maybe that's the key.
Speaker B:I feel like lesbians are freaked out.
Speaker B:Low key, but, you know, I don't want to get canceled.
Speaker A:Lesbians are.
Speaker A:And this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Because lesbians are freaked out.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think y' all are really the.
Speaker A:Y' all is crazy.
Speaker A:I'm queer, for the record.
Speaker A:Allegedly.
Speaker A:Allegedly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I would say that they are freaked out, but it's like the funniest thing.
Speaker A:What if this.
Speaker A:What if this podcast is not the diasporic wars that people were hoping for?
Speaker A:It's actually the gay wars.
Speaker A:The lesbians and air quote versus is the Gay.
Speaker A:That would actually.
Speaker B:That would be wild.
Speaker B:I believe in one queer community, you know, under.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:We are one in unity and in love and in joy.
Speaker B:We're queer, we're here, we're bright, we're black and all the things.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker A:You're such a diplomat in your answers.
Speaker A:I'm excited for how these episodes continue.
Speaker A:How the veil.
Speaker A:I love to get you to be messy.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:You know, we'll see the pot.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker B:We'll try to get there, you know, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it was nice to check it, though.
Speaker B:I think that was a.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That was a really cool check in.
Speaker A:We're gonna check in.
Speaker B:We're gonna dive into the Zeitgeist and see what's happening, you know, in the world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're gonna start off with Dr. Cheyenne Bryant.
Speaker B:I know you've seen this happen over and over again.
Speaker B:That was a, that was a sight.
Speaker B:And because you're on threads, I feel like if you're on threads, this story is everybody and your mother and your father and your brother and your sister, you know, they're giving this, you know, commentary.
Speaker B:But anyway, it starts off with, she's on Joe Biden's podcast.
Speaker B:And then she said, she says that, you know, she doesn't need to be licensed anymore, that she's not doing therapy anymore.
Speaker B:The reason why she, she would have needed a license was to bill insurance.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so something like that.
Speaker B:Something along those lines.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then she's like, she doesn't have to that anymore, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And, you know, she's a life coach, basically.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So there was bachelor backlash about that.
Speaker B:Dr. Raquel Martin, I think, did a response video, you know, who's also like, you know, she's very popular on social media.
Speaker B:Gave her like, educated response to that and why it was harmful to say.
Speaker B:And then she goes on Breakfast Club and doubles down.
Speaker B:And then she still.
Speaker B:She's just with doubling down and doubling down.
Speaker B:And she released the book that is apparently a bestseller.
Speaker B:It's on the bestsellers list.
Speaker B:I have to go and check.
Speaker B:I have a fact check that.
Speaker B:Allegedly a bestseller now.
Speaker B:But yeah, then she went to this show.
Speaker B:I saw it, I saw it on Twitter.
Speaker B:And the lady was saying that, you know what, if people are having so much conversation at all, if people are wondering where your degree is, why don't you just show people, like your degrees or your dissertation?
Speaker B:You know, she's like, I don't feel I only have to prove myself to God.
Speaker B:So, yeah, So I don't, you know, dia, how you feeling about Douglas and Bryant?
Speaker A:See, and the thing is, is that I do support women's rights and wrongs.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:And it's been harder and harder to support her rights and wrongs because, like, there's been so much controversy around her since forever.
Speaker A:Like, I remember when she wore that dress to a Jeezy concert.
Speaker A:Like, the bra and panties with like the see through lace.
Speaker A:And people were like, is this how a doctor's supposed to dress?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was like, she, you know, deserves to wear what she wants to wear.
Speaker A:I wasn't offended by the, you know, the appeal of it.
Speaker A:It was more so the outfit itself, it wasn't for me.
Speaker A:It was giving tablecloth, doily, if you will.
Speaker A:But again, support women's rights and wrongs always will.
Speaker A:And femmes always will.
Speaker A:But as this controversy has been rolling out, I saw, I saw all the clips actually as they were happening, and I was like, okay, you know, she.
Speaker A:She may not have anything to prove some of what she's saying.
Speaker A:It was a slippery slope of logic, like it did.
Speaker A:I was with her till I wasn't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But she just kept digging herself deeper, digging herself deeper.
Speaker A:And I also think that there is some conversation to say around, you know, folks who are supporting the mental health of others, supporting people's relationship structures, their, like, career trajectory, all of that, and them not necessarily being forthcoming about where they get this experience from.
Speaker A:We like black people as a whole, we have a hard time trusting like, quote unquote life coaches, quote unquote therapists, mental health professionals.
Speaker A:Not because we like, you know, don't want to, like, innately, it's just like, oh, we have some actually, like some trauma there.
Speaker A:And community wise, we haven't necessarily figured out how do we, you know, combine all the things that help us feel whole and good.
Speaker A:But this situation is.
Speaker A:She just the.
Speaker A:She's just defensive off the rip.
Speaker A:And I'm just kind of like, you kind of are not really doing.
Speaker A:You're not promoting your life coaching very well because this, you need a life coach for this.
Speaker A:You need someone to help you through this crisis.
Speaker A:Where's your pr?
Speaker B:Yeah, but there people are my hot takes.
Speaker B:There are people who are defending, you know, defending her, you know, and, you know, it's the Internet.
Speaker B:No matter what happens, there will always be two sides.
Speaker B:One side will be for, one side will be against.
Speaker B:I think that for me, it's just the idea of, you know, mental health is something that is very serious.
Speaker B:I think I'M also very weary of folks who do mental health work or life coaching work and are quick to be like, oh, God and Jesus and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:You can have your faith and your beliefs, right?
Speaker B:But when it comes to, like, my quote unquote, sanity, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Can we not do that?
Speaker B:And, you know, it just.
Speaker B:It's just very disingenuous that, like you said, if I'm going to come to you, right, if I want to trust you with my mental health or whatever is going on in my life, you need to know that, you know what you're talking about.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That is where I feel like, okay, I don't think you have that qualification.
Speaker B:I think I just.
Speaker B:Going off the rift, you're doing lots of stuff, which was, you know, very.
Speaker B: In the early: Speaker B:I mean, everybody was a life coach.
Speaker B:And, you know, that became.
Speaker B:That became its own thing.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that.
Speaker B:Is that what you're trying to do?
Speaker B:Is that.
Speaker B:Is that what you're trying to sell?
Speaker B:And if that's the case, then sell that, start a podcast and be like, those people on Instagram that are like, you know, Sherry, those people on Instagram, like, I always give you, like, life tips.
Speaker B:That's like, your brand.
Speaker B:You know those people.
Speaker B:And stay away from the like, oh, Jesus, I only owe you to.
Speaker B:God, no.
Speaker B:If I'm gonna.
Speaker B:If you're gonna.
Speaker B:If I'm gonna hire you, hire you to help me deal with my life issues that are very severe.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:You know what you're talking about, that you have the adequate training for that.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:But I think there's also a layer here, too, friend, where, like, I almost was like, Dr. Cheyenne Bryant.
Speaker A:Cheyenne Bryant, She.
Speaker A:She has been talking her shit, for lack of a better word, you know, going on podcasts with.
Speaker A:What's that, man?
Speaker A:Football player locks everywhere.
Speaker A:Cam Newton.
Speaker A:I'm like, cats, baby mamas.
Speaker A:I'm giving buzzwords at this point.
Speaker A:Like, went on there and dragged filth.
Speaker A:She's been dragging men for filth.
Speaker A:Like, rightfully so.
Speaker A:These men needed to be dragged for creating incomplete homes for their misogyny, all the things.
Speaker A:So it kind of, like, seeded the ground for, like, there to be this onslaught of, like, critique of her because she has kind of, like, poised herself in this way of being, like, this pedestal person.
Speaker A:But, like, she.
Speaker A:She has had this, like, duality of, like, a therapist rooted in, like, her.
Speaker A:Her background, her knowledge her experience.
Speaker A:And then simultaneously, you know, she is a.
Speaker A:At the same time, she talks about how she don't want to, you know, marry a man with kids, how she wants her own family, how she, you know, can have anybody that she wants in these spaces, too.
Speaker A:So I think that also makes it hard because, you know, as black community, even though we're not.
Speaker A:We're not, you know, one particular thing or what, have the same values across the board because we do have a lot of differences in our communities.
Speaker A:But at the same time, it's like you kind of seeded the ground for critique because of all the misogyny that still lingers in our community a lot.
Speaker A:And it's not just men.
Speaker A:It's also women critiquing her.
Speaker A:Some women, rightfully so, who have earned their degrees shout out to, like, the people like Erica Hart, who's been, like, going in on threads like, I love Erica Hart down.
Speaker A:I've definitely seen Erica Hart at Pride a couple of times, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, but like, they come from, like, a school of thought of, like, you know, it's not just around your experiences, but it's also around the knowledge that you're bringing from these learning environments.
Speaker A:So those things matter.
Speaker A:And black people are so quick to be discredited.
Speaker A:So this is not a little thing, because I feel like the white people, you know, you have your business and then your little art.
Speaker A:Like, my family in particular, no shade to my family argument spills outside of the house, and then people yelling in the yard, and da da, da, da, and ba da, da.
Speaker A:And then now the whole neighborhood know what y' all fussing about.
Speaker A:That's kind of how it feels now, where it's like, now non black people are, like, looking in to be like, Cheyenne Bryant.
Speaker A:That's, like a ways to critique us generally.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I hate that our business is on Front Street.
Speaker A:I really hate that.
Speaker A:And it's not.
Speaker A:Let me not say our.
Speaker A:Because this ain't.
Speaker A:This ain't my business, but our descent, you know?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:What do you think about that?
Speaker B:I. I get it.
Speaker B:I think that I'm a little concerned about how this is going to end because it doesn't look like it would have the ending that she thinks it would have, because now you've gone on three, four platforms openly stating that you don't.
Speaker B:You don't have a license.
Speaker B:You don't have a license.
Speaker B:You're not trying to get license.
Speaker B:And then you're.
Speaker B:You are calling yourself a doctor.
Speaker B:And it's becoming evident that that might be something that might not exist anymore.
Speaker B:And so now what?
Speaker B:You're opening up yourself to these investigations upon investigations, and people are going to be like, okay, liability for sure.
Speaker A:Because I was a previous client, I would be like, so what degree did you have to counsel me?
Speaker A:You know, like, it definitely brings things up.
Speaker A:The thing that I thought was the messiest part is that the school that she said didn't exist anymore.
Speaker A:I think she said Argosy College.
Speaker A:They went on their little Twitter or X, whatever.
Speaker A:I hate that it's X these days.
Speaker A:They went on their little X, their threads, and was like, actually, the documents are there.
Speaker A:The documents have never disappeared.
Speaker A:She could pull it up if she wants to.
Speaker A:So it's like, what's the truth?
Speaker A:What's the truth?
Speaker A:It's not the end.
Speaker A:Just like you're saying, what is the truth?
Speaker B:What is the truth?
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Well, Miss Bryant.
Speaker A:Miss Bryant.
Speaker B:When I.
Speaker B:When I heard her name, initially, I thought she was Jamal Bryant's wife or something.
Speaker B:But, you know, I guess when I.
Speaker A:First heard of her, I thought that for sure.
Speaker A:I definitely did.
Speaker B:Is this the person that Preston Jamal just married?
Speaker B:But, you know, anyways.
Speaker B:But yeah, that is.
Speaker B:That has been taken over threads.
Speaker B:If you've been on threads, you see the conversation.
Speaker B:Would you go to a life coach?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're asking me?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Would you go to a life coach?
Speaker A:Oh, I wouldn't.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:I personally feel like everyone is on their own journeys.
Speaker A:I think a coach and like, there's different things that you need, like coaching with.
Speaker A:I definitely do coaching for other folks around the realm of communications, but I'm not out here being, like, coaching your life just because I'm living it just like you.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So I don't know if I would.
Speaker A:If I would.
Speaker A:I don't know about you.
Speaker A:How do you feel about life coaching?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would do a financial coach.
Speaker B:I will do academic coach.
Speaker B:I would do a career coach.
Speaker B:I will not do a life coach.
Speaker B:Because everybody's figuring, like, nobody, nobody has cracked the code for life.
Speaker B:Everybody is messy.
Speaker B:Everybody's figuring it out.
Speaker B:There's nothing you can tell me that I can't Google.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I would get a therapist if that's what I need, but not normalized.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:Please.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if you crack the code of life, you on the ground, babes, you not here.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's the real to me.
Speaker A:If you crack the coded life, you've seen the other side.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Unless you came back, like, the Only people I actually with.
Speaker A:You know those books where it was like I died and came back to life, like those like Christian like books.
Speaker A:That's what I would trust.
Speaker A:If I, if I was leaning into anything, it would be those, those books where someone's like, yeah, I was, I saw the bright light and I got snatched back.
Speaker A:But I saw some things while I was there.
Speaker A:That's what I would trust.
Speaker A:I'm not trusting no life coach.
Speaker B:I'm not, I'm not even trust that.
Speaker B:Because back in Nigeria, some people will claim that they died and Jesus came and took their hand and took them to hell.
Speaker B:And then they saw, they called a random celebrity.
Speaker B:One of them has seen Michael Jackson there.
Speaker B:One of them has seen like all the rather best celebrities.
Speaker B:Like, oh, I saw this person going.
Speaker B:I saw this person going there.
Speaker B:And Jesus told me, go and tell my people to repent.
Speaker B:And then they're back.
Speaker A:I'm like, damn, let Michael Jackson rest.
Speaker A:Let them people rest.
Speaker A:Because that's not, that's actually true across the board.
Speaker A:People are so quick to be like, yeah, I dream, I had a dream.
Speaker A:Or I, you know, I got, I got caught up by the spirit and I saw Whitney Houston.
Speaker A:Why you brought Whitney Houston into this?
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:They were like, they saw her.
Speaker B:I'm like, how did you see her?
Speaker B:You couldn't see anybody.
Speaker B:You see your, your grandpa or your grandma or your busy uncle that passed like 10 years ago, literally.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Someone that you actually knew.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that it got hit a little harder, but yeah, that's crazy to do.
Speaker A:It definitely did, but yeah.
Speaker B:Speaking of health, did you call my.
Speaker B:Speaking of what, did you need to call your therapist?
Speaker B:Is that what you said?
Speaker A:I did I need to call that lady?
Speaker A:Not because there's anything wrong.
Speaker A:We just need to check in.
Speaker A:And this whole situation brings that up for me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Let's see the real mental health professional.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker B:Will the real mental health professionals be stepped up?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Where are they?
Speaker B:Who gonna be the therapist if everybody's a life coach,.
Speaker A:Who gonna be the therapist of everybody?
Speaker A:The life coach?
Speaker A:And let's, let's see these degrees.
Speaker A:Spread them like money.
Speaker A:Spread them like money.
Speaker A:Let's do a degree.
Speaker A:Money spread, please, for real.
Speaker B:Put it at the back of your wall.
Speaker B:You know, let it be right there.
Speaker B:Let's see it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Speaking of hellfire, another thing that's trending on social media is the Nature Boy cult, right?
Speaker B:So Holy released this docu series, a four part docu series called the Cult of Nature Boy Dives right Into Elijah Bishop who started this cult called Cavern Nation.
Speaker B:It used to be Melanation before and it evolved into carbonation.
Speaker B: lt I think in like maybe like: Speaker B:Basically it started with him being like, you know what?
Speaker B:I'm tired of capitalism.
Speaker B:I'm tired of.
Speaker B:Well, he started out in the conscious community, right?
Speaker B:And no, of course I have thoughts about that.
Speaker B:He's in general same.
Speaker B:But he started out there and you know, he went from, you know, grand Rising blessings and my brother.
Speaker B:And then he was like, oh, I'm tired of being, you know, living on a capitalism.
Speaker B:I want to go and be nature between the something of Capricorn and the something of cancer.
Speaker B:So he goes and he goes there, but he goes to South America.
Speaker B:I'm like, you want to go back to black people's roots?
Speaker B:You should have just gone to Africa.
Speaker B:But anyways, so he goes, he goes to South America and then that's when he, you know, he was in Costa Rica.
Speaker B:Anyway, he starts his cult and you know, it evolves something else.
Speaker B:You know, they don't shower, they don't use the bathroom, they have to poop outside, they have to do all these things, they don't take medicine.
Speaker B:It was a whole bunch of things, right?
Speaker B:It's a very extended documentary.
Speaker B:Anyways, the reason why it's trending is because like it came out on Hulu, the four part docu series and then people were like, oh, people that saw this in real time because this happened in real time.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker B:And he was always going live on like Facebook and then Instagram, TikTok and then Big O.
Speaker B:So people kind of like knew him.
Speaker B:And I was like, this isn't like up to date.
Speaker B:If you go on YouTube, there's a guy called Hood Horrors who does like a 46 part docu documentary on YouTube that that's where it's at.
Speaker B:And so everybody is.
Speaker B:And I am looking fascinated because I like to watch cult cult documentaries.
Speaker B:But anyways, so he's trending for all that he did.
Speaker B:Have you heard about the story?
Speaker B:How are you feeling about the story right now?
Speaker A:So I was visiting a couple of friends while I was also going to a film festival a couple weekends ago.
Speaker A:And I heard about it, but I hadn't watched it.
Speaker A:And I caught the last episode which I that that was more than enough for me.
Speaker A:I actually needed them to wrap it up.
Speaker A:So I'm glad I just saw the last episode.
Speaker A:And honestly I think it's cults in general.
Speaker A:I think we are Having a timely conversation because we are in such dire times economically, socially, can go down the list.
Speaker A:Ba da da da da.
Speaker A:But people are still looking for belonging, and they're still followers of nature.
Speaker A:Boy, like, that's the thing.
Speaker A:He's behind them prison walls, them cinder blocks, still leading people to this day.
Speaker A:And it's like, okay, what does this mean, like, for us collectively?
Speaker A:But also, the documentary itself is crazy.
Speaker A:It's crazy also.
Speaker A:But then if a broken clock is right once a day, at least once.
Speaker A:So I am gonna.
Speaker A:And mind you, I haven't fully watched the full thing.
Speaker A:I wasn't, like, a watcher.
Speaker A:Definitely not a follower, for the record, but I have a few friends.
Speaker A:I was like, yeah, I can't watch the document because it's a little too close to home.
Speaker B:Were they in the cult?
Speaker A:They weren't in the cult, but they were like.
Speaker A:They weren't in the cult, but they were definitely being primed.
Speaker A:You know, there's a stage of, like, being primed by a cult and being like.
Speaker A:Because I think the anti capitalism, the wanting to be in nature, getting back to your roots as black people.
Speaker A:We have black Americans, specifically.
Speaker A:We are so disconnected that it's like, if someone is within a framework, I can understand why someone's like, ooh, this is speaking to me.
Speaker A:Like, it's actually fulfilling.
Speaker A:And then you have what friends you have.
Speaker A:There's wives and people and, you know, you getting connected.
Speaker A:Everything's in the cult.
Speaker A:Yeah, the friendships, the wives, the relationships, the jobs.
Speaker A:They didn't have jobs there.
Speaker A:There are cults.
Speaker A:I do have jobs within the cults, for the record.
Speaker A:They just wasn't, if I'm not wrong.
Speaker B:Yeah, they didn't have jobs in their cult.
Speaker B:But some cults have jobs.
Speaker A:Yes, some cults have jobs.
Speaker A:So that in particular, I was just like, I understand the feeling, but not this.
Speaker A:But what I was saying about a broken clock is right once a day.
Speaker A:In particular, I love how gender expansive he was.
Speaker A:And that's the thing that we have.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Gender expansive.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:Let me cook.
Speaker A:Let me cook.
Speaker A:Let me cook.
Speaker A:I think in the ways of expanding.
Speaker A:And I could be wrong again, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't watch.
Speaker A:I didn't watch.
Speaker A:I just watched the last episode.
Speaker B:But I will help you.
Speaker B:I will help you out.
Speaker B:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I definitely watched a lot, but, you know, and I think it's a conversation that is kind of rough around, like, black men in their.
Speaker A:In their sexuality and gender expansive in the sense of, like, opened up, you know, the definition of femininity.
Speaker A:Like, there were.
Speaker A:Trans femmes are also part of the cult.
Speaker A:So it was like, okay, I.
Speaker B:So he was say it was an inclusive cult, but it's still called Tomorrow.
Speaker B:It's still, it still caused.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not advocating for nature, boy, but I also am.
Speaker A:Like, there's a lesson there.
Speaker A:Like, let's talk about that.
Speaker A:There's just.
Speaker A:There's layers.
Speaker A:There's layers to it.
Speaker A:That's just not saying anything was right about it, but.
Speaker A:Or the way he went about it at all.
Speaker A:Like, it was very destructive, terrible, very harmful, Violent.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And also I'm like, there, there are pieces of, of worlds that people trying to create that be like, expound upon it.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker B:I get the.
Speaker B:I know people always go, oh, it will never be me.
Speaker B:I would never join a cult.
Speaker B:You know, that's always like the, the, the going this particular one, I feel like there was no way you would convince me.
Speaker B:You could not convince me to join this one.
Speaker B:There's no way.
Speaker B:There is.
Speaker B:No matter how inclusive it is.
Speaker B:You cannot convince me to leave air conditioning and be in the sun or.
Speaker B:And then to not use the bathroom.
Speaker A:That's the quickest way to lose me.
Speaker A:No air.
Speaker B:I should poop in the bush.
Speaker B:No, thank you.
Speaker B:So I think that, you know, it was just a bunch of things that was just off.
Speaker B:The things that he was saying, the way he was treating the women and the cult, the way he was just very jarring to watch.
Speaker B:Like, it was very heavy.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm like, no, don't.
Speaker B:It's a, it's a no for me.
Speaker B:The conversation has everybody all caught up on social media.
Speaker B:Like, it's like everywhere.
Speaker B:That's the conversation everybody's talking about, you know, and there are still some people to this day who are following him.
Speaker B:And I feel like I'm about to say something very controversial.
Speaker A:No, say it.
Speaker A:I said a lot of controversial things.
Speaker B:I, I, I feel like even amongst, like, movement, which we familiar sometimes.
Speaker B:I love movement spaces.
Speaker B:It could be a bit culty.
Speaker B:Sometimes it is.
Speaker B:There are things that people do in movement spaces.
Speaker B:I'm like that, why are y' all moving in that way?
Speaker B:Why are we speaking in this way?
Speaker B:Why does everybody have to ground?
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:But, you know, I guess I have a little confession.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I definitely was part of a political home that gave cults, but, like, in a queer, trans, Southern, rowdy way.
Speaker A:And I talk about it a lot with like, the homies that were also in the.
Speaker A:In that same political home, but also at the same time.
Speaker A:Like, I think that's the part of why I have, like, a different understanding around how folks can get integrated into a cult and find belonging.
Speaker A:That doesn't mean that every cult is like.
Speaker A:I feel like cult is a strong word.
Speaker A:Maybe it's belonging.
Speaker A:And it's like, I get it.
Speaker A:And also, you couldn't.
Speaker A:With nature boy in particular, you could never convince me.
Speaker A:They're showing violence off RIP on live stream.
Speaker A:Why are people flying to that?
Speaker A:Why are people running towards someone, like, literally fighting?
Speaker A:Not to the death, but like, they were fighting down.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They were having an ass.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:On live stream.
Speaker B:I'm like, that is crazy.
Speaker A:That is humiliation.
Speaker B:And I'm like.
Speaker B:And they were calling.
Speaker B:They were all the cops on them all the time because of the violence that was happening to the people, to the women, to the children.
Speaker B:It was crazy.
Speaker B:And I'm just like that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I. I feel like cult.
Speaker B:And also because I feel like it's very.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker B:You can be a part of a movement or part of a thing, and before you know it, the next thing you know you're in a cult.
Speaker B:It's very like, yes.
Speaker B:You don't never really know how the switch happens.
Speaker A:Literally.
Speaker B:You have to, for lack of better words, stay woke.
Speaker B:Stay alert, you know, because you never really know.
Speaker B:But I'm curious about your political home, though.
Speaker B:That was giving calls.
Speaker A:You said what?
Speaker B:I am curious about the political home that was giving calls.
Speaker A:I feel like I said too much because I still love and love and admire those folks.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, it was a point in life.
Speaker A:I think it just.
Speaker A:Things can feel super intense when you, like, dedicate all of your time to something.
Speaker A:It feels like it's like crossing the line a little bit.
Speaker A:We have our first special guest.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why did you leave, honey?
Speaker B:That's a cute dog, you know, and she.
Speaker A:She's some work.
Speaker B:I want a dog.
Speaker A:No, I don't travel too much.
Speaker B:I don't travel anymore.
Speaker A:You wanna.
Speaker A:You wanna watch a dog?
Speaker A:You wanna watch a dog?
Speaker B:She's crying again.
Speaker B:You wanna carry her again?
Speaker A:She's crying.
Speaker A:No, I need a break.
Speaker A:I need a break.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker A:I'm talking.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, talking about how you left.
Speaker B:Why did you leave the political home?
Speaker A:It was a job.
Speaker A:I quit.
Speaker A:But it's not.
Speaker A:I still am in relationship with those people, but at the same time, like, it got too close, like, in the sense of, like, everything was so, like, morally invested.
Speaker A:And I think that's how cults really get you.
Speaker A:They, like, have you totally committed to the mission and, like, the vision of that, like, entity.
Speaker A:And that's tied to, like, yourself first.
Speaker A:So it's like, oh, if you disappoint, you know, your quote unquote, like, community of sorts, then.
Speaker A:Then it's like, child.
Speaker A:It's like, I got a child.
Speaker A:Then it's like, oh, I. I'm worthless.
Speaker A:You know, and that's not how it should be at all.
Speaker A:But there was something I was gonna say around Nicole in particular, is.
Speaker A:I also.
Speaker A:There's just a lot of.
Speaker A:Like, when I found out that they was down the street in Decatur, I was blown.
Speaker B:They gotta be in Atlanta.
Speaker A:It has to be in Atlanta.
Speaker A:And I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not shocked that the cab police kept going and nothing happened, because that's how I would be over there.
Speaker A:But I was just like, wow.
Speaker A:Nothing was over there by all the stuff.
Speaker A:It just felt too close to home.
Speaker A:It felt too, too close to home.
Speaker A:Yeah, I had a moment about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, you know, right now he's serving life plus 10 for allegedly.
Speaker B:Well, not allegedly was proven, you know, for sharing revenge porn and false imprisonment and also the R thing that he did as well.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, I hope that the victims find, you know, healing.
Speaker B:I hope they find some peace.
Speaker B:Being a part of a cult is not cool at all.
Speaker B:Like, not all.
Speaker A:It's not cool at all.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker A:But also.
Speaker B:But also, like, you know, when you are, like, when you're, like, super religious and you grow up religious, and you see how that can also evolve into some level of cultiness, and you're like, damn, you know, you don't want to be in that kind of situation as well.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker A:I do, too.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I just hope they find some peace and also, like, find their own, like, sense of justice outside of, like, this sentence.
Speaker A:Because he's still.
Speaker A:He's still percolating, like, everything is okay.
Speaker A:He really is.
Speaker A:And that's concerning.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:That's a societal problem right there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And these followers are out there, you know, still doing their thing, still on social media.
Speaker B:People are still sending them money, though, you know, and so there's that also happening, too.
Speaker B:So, you know, y', all, if you want to spend some money, give it to us.
Speaker B:Don't give it to us.
Speaker A:No, for Real.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker A:I got a dog to feed.
Speaker B:Give it.
Speaker B:Give it to us.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker B:Okay, so our last story in the Zeitgeist is about Breezy Chris.
Speaker B:Breezy Chris Brown.
Speaker B:So Pitchfork reviewed Chris Brown's album.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go on my computer right now so that I can read it to you.
Speaker B:It was a very.
Speaker B:It's a very quick review.
Speaker A:Can I give like, some background on like, the album itself?
Speaker A:Cause I feel like there's been some controversy around the album a little bit.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:It's Chris Brown controversy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I'm not a Chris Brown listener.
Speaker A:I may be from Virginia, but who child I have, you know, I've overcome.
Speaker A:I'm still holding out for my sisters in Virginia that are still trying to overcome and have.
Speaker A:I haven't seen the light yet.
Speaker A:But in particular this album Brown has been marketed as like soulful R and B.
Speaker A:Like true, true Chris Brown sound.
Speaker A:And they have, you know, it didn't seem like it matched up, but they've been doing hella AI promotion, AI videos.
Speaker A:The album cover in itself, I believe, is AI generated.
Speaker A:And it looks just like Duran Bernard's album.
Speaker A:And like the little.
Speaker A:Some people have been like, putting them side by side and been like, real R and B is back, the men are laying down again, and it's like, okay, so that's the thing that's been concerning off rip.
Speaker A:So when the album dropped, I was like, okay, let's there.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:I do accidentally catch a shimmy sometimes in a party and a little.
Speaker A:And I'd be like, ooh, wrong.
Speaker A:Nope, not this one.
Speaker A:So, like, I was expecting a couple of songs that were a little like, ooh, that's a little bop for the girls who's still there.
Speaker A:It's not giving bop, apparently.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker A:And that's where Pitchfork.
Speaker A:That's what Pitchfork said.
Speaker A:I did not click a button to listen.
Speaker A:I. I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:Blocked on Spotify for me personally.
Speaker B:Yeah, Teach work had a one sentence review.
Speaker B:The score is 1.4, I think.
Speaker B:And they say 1.3.
Speaker B:The score is 1.3.
Speaker B:And they say Chris Brown's soul as hit chasing new album doesn't justify his return to the public eye.
Speaker B:And that's it.
Speaker B:And on Twitter, they said, this album is a real piece of shit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he made.
Speaker A:He that made.
Speaker A:I don't think it grabbed his attention immediately, but I feel like the commentary about it online blew up so much because Pitchfork ain't no little platform.
Speaker A:And he was just like, you know what?
Speaker A:Fuck Pitchfork, we gonna fight.
Speaker A:Me and my fans gonna fight all of them.
Speaker A:And it's like, Chris Brown, we know.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We know you can fight.
Speaker A:What about something else?
Speaker A:We know you can fight, sir.
Speaker A:That's the problem.
Speaker A:And then brought Zara Lawson into it.
Speaker B:Yeah, he brought Zara Lawson into it.
Speaker B:And I saw Tank went online and I.
Speaker B:And I do like Tank, but he said.
Speaker B:This is what he said.
Speaker A:He said, I love some Tank.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:And I quote, this is.
Speaker B:This is from his Instagram.
Speaker B:And I'm quoting what he said.
Speaker B:He says, the problem is most of you offer destructive criticism.
Speaker B:You disguise hate for opinion.
Speaker B:You expect us human beings to just accept that and keep it moving.
Speaker B:While I respect his humility in this moment, he doesn't owe you that.
Speaker B:Love it or hate.
Speaker B:Have some fucking respect.
Speaker B:Have some sense of morality.
Speaker A:We're talking about morality.
Speaker A:That's what we're talking about.
Speaker B:Just to be a decent human being while having an opinion.
Speaker B:That's all we are.
Speaker A:We're talking about decent human beings.
Speaker A:We're talking about morality and decent human beings.
Speaker A:I didn't know that was the bar.
Speaker B:And then he goes on Twitter and then he says, pitch.
Speaker A:Who?
Speaker B:And he shouts.
Speaker A:I did see that.
Speaker A:I did see that.
Speaker A:Thing is, if we gonna talk about human humanity, if we gonna talk about decent human beings, we talk about.
Speaker A:I feel like he used a lot of words, and those are big words for Chris Brown.
Speaker A:Just like those are big words.
Speaker A:Those are not big words for Elmo.
Speaker A:Those are big words for Chris Brown.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:The bar has to be the same for everybody.
Speaker A:Sorry that the music is not justifying his presence in society or his presence on a platform that's nobody's fault but his own.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:He's getting on to Usher, though.
Speaker B:Are you gonna go?
Speaker A:Hell, no.
Speaker A:You know what I live for is that they call it the Read.
Speaker A:I love the Read.
Speaker A:No, they're calling it R and B tour, but, like, because it goes with Raymond and Brown.
Speaker A:But then, like, on social media and I saw the Read, I listened to them.
Speaker A:I love the.
Speaker A:Called it the Bumps and Bruises tour.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And that has a better ring to it to me than R and B.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker B:You know, I feel like I have.
Speaker B:I don't listen to Chris Brown.
Speaker B:Haven't listened to Chris Brown since,.
Speaker A:Yo.
Speaker B:Since, like, this.
Speaker B: Maybe, like, since the late: Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B: Yeah, late: Speaker B:I don't actively misses Chris Brown.
Speaker B:I like his Afrobeats.
Speaker B:When he diced it to Afrobeats, he does it really well.
Speaker B:He Has a song with Davido.
Speaker B:What's that song called?
Speaker B:I know, I know the lyrics, but I don't know the name of the song.
Speaker A:Give them a crossover.
Speaker A:DeVito's gonna give every R B a crossover every time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Davido and Chris Brown collaborate really well together.
Speaker B:So they have a bunch of songs together.
Speaker B:So I said, I said I listen to their collaboration, right, But I'm not actively listening to.
Speaker B:I haven't listened to a crisp project in forever.
Speaker B:So I can't really speak to the artistry of that.
Speaker B:Do you think?
Speaker B:However, there is a conversation online about people stating that what does he.
Speaker B:What can he do to redeem himself?
Speaker B:Like, where is the redeeming quality that can come for him?
Speaker B:Does he have to, like, what would that look like for a Chris Brown to be like, okay, if I. I know I did this in the past, but now I'm a. I'm a changed mind.
Speaker B:What would I look like?
Speaker A:I feel like this made me think of.
Speaker A:Let me turn my low volume down.
Speaker A:It made me think of something I saw the other day from.
Speaker A:Is his name Richie Rosetta?
Speaker A:This black.
Speaker A:I would say he identifies as black.
Speaker A:This black man who.
Speaker B:Yeah, the face is black.
Speaker A:You know, he a little light skinned.
Speaker A:I don't know, he might be mixed.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:But he's biracial.
Speaker A:He's a biracial.
Speaker A:That was a hit.
Speaker A:We need to bring that back.
Speaker A:That was a.
Speaker A:That was a moment in time.
Speaker A:But he was imprisoned.
Speaker A:He was incarcerated in California, I think, young age.
Speaker A:And then he shifted into teaching feminism in prisons.
Speaker A:In like the prison that he was in.
Speaker A:And so it was very interesting.
Speaker A:But he went on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker A:I don't watch the Breakfast Club.
Speaker A:I catch clips and they'd be on other people's pages.
Speaker A:I'm not giving them no views.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry that he was on the Breakfast Club talking about harm and he was like, you know, being someone that has been harmed.
Speaker A:When someone harms or who has harmed.
Speaker A:When someone has harmed me, it hits different.
Speaker A:Like it is not a good feeling, but also like, we're all capable of harm.
Speaker A:And I think that just like has constantly been on my mind.
Speaker A:Not for people like Chris Brown.
Speaker A:You gotta at least have some sort of, like, you know, what's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker A:Remorse.
Speaker A:You have to have some remorse.
Speaker A:You have to have some sort of like, way of, you know, apologizing or making amends.
Speaker A:And he's just not there.
Speaker A:So I think that's what makes Chris Brown different around the.
Speaker A:Because it's like first, do you want to be redeemed or you just want people to forget?
Speaker A:That's what it seems like.
Speaker A:And we didn't forget a lot of stuff.
Speaker A:Some of the stuff hasn't been answered for.
Speaker A:You still do your little paper bag test everywhere you go.
Speaker A:Literally everywhere you go, the club, the house, the pool, the mall.
Speaker A:If they walking with you, they're Karrueche 4.0.
Speaker A:They're not, they're not dark skinned.
Speaker A:They aren't.
Speaker A:But I digress.
Speaker A:But all that to say, like people who deserve to be redeemed are the ones who actually want to seek forgiveness.
Speaker A:You know, that's just my opinion.
Speaker A:I don't know how you feel about it.
Speaker A:So how do you feel about like Chris, the idea of Chris Brown being redeemed?
Speaker B:I think that I, I, I might be in a minority.
Speaker B:I feel like if he proves himself, I feel like there is space for that.
Speaker B:I feel like are we, are we not part of the movement that talks about transformative justice and talks about, you know, abolition and all these things?
Speaker B:And so are we not gonna give space to someone proved that they've changed now as he changed?
Speaker B:I can't answer that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like I said, I haven't, I don't follow Chris Brown on social media.
Speaker B:I don't know what that man's got going on.
Speaker B:I don't listen to his music, I don't, I don't know anything that's, that happens.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But I say that I don't know if he is working towards being redeemed.
Speaker B:He's talked about it a couple of times that people are still judging him for the things that he did in his past.
Speaker A:I don't know, maybe address him like, maybe fucking address him like maybe actually atone for the harm that you've done.
Speaker A:I think that's the thing is like feel.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Transformative justice.
Speaker A:Like I know we're both part of like the movement side of things.
Speaker A:I absolutely agree.
Speaker A:And also to transform you have to be willing to be transformed.
Speaker A:That's the thing.
Speaker A:And it's like he really just cusses us out every time we bring it up.
Speaker A:Every time we be like, yeah, you beat people, you're abusive, you're, you harassed, you actually, like you're manipulative.
Speaker A:You actually, people also talk about his drug abuse.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's, that's allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker A:But you just tell us to shut the fuck up and that and we edgeless.
Speaker A:That's what you say to us, that's not atoning for nothing.
Speaker A:You just want us to forget and shut up and buy the music and watch you, you know, do your little jig and your, your moves.
Speaker A:Oh, we, like, that's the thing.
Speaker A:For me, that's.
Speaker A:That's my thing.
Speaker A:You're not about to tell us to shut the up and then be like, I said I was sorry.
Speaker A:Damn, like, we're being abused by him.
Speaker A:Like, that's the thing.
Speaker B:Do you feel like I think that I'm curious about.
Speaker B:Do you feel like we hold celebrities to like, a higher standard?
Speaker B:Do you think that's something that we do?
Speaker A:Not me.
Speaker A:I think yes, yes, we do.
Speaker A:But I think that's because of visibility.
Speaker A:Like, people don't be holding their, like their aunties, their uncles, their people in their community to a higher standard because it's hush, hush.
Speaker A:But when it's like on a national stage, like Rihanna and Chris brown at the VMAs, that's where everyone has commentary.
Speaker A:But also it's like, at the same time, I actually don't think we hold even a high enough standard.
Speaker A:Those folks that do hold Chris Brown accountable are not the same folks that are like, they aren't denying the things that he's done.
Speaker A:The folks that actually just want to move on, listen to his music, go to his concert, get sweat dripped on them and catch a T shirt are like, why are we still talking about this?
Speaker A:And that's what's concerning more than anything.
Speaker A:And that's what's enabling to him, where he's like, yeah, you heard my fans, fuck off.
Speaker B:Off.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:You're consistently, like, doing shit and you don't take accountability and you're enabled by everyone in your life.
Speaker A:You just happen to sound good on a, a track from time to time in your dance moves.
Speaker A:You can still do a backflip at almost 40.
Speaker A:That's that.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:He's 37.
Speaker B:We're the same age.
Speaker A:But you don't do that because you refer to yourself as close to 40.
Speaker A:And now when I say I'm wrong, I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:People think I'm a Chris Ralph right now because I knew I was speaking.
Speaker B:I am, you know, someone else's fan, but not Chris.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:No, yeah, I didn't get that from you.
Speaker A:I think you just, you had some sympathy.
Speaker A:You was like, why, why can't we, like, forgive?
Speaker A:Because the didn't say sorry.
Speaker A:That's why we can't forgive.
Speaker A:Me personally, I'm saying That I'm speaking for the.
Speaker A:I'm not in a Chris Brown hate club, but I just don't think of him.
Speaker B:What do you think about?
Speaker B:Because I know we're rebel, like Kehlani fans, and I feel like there was a.
Speaker B:There was a picture of Kehlani with Chris Brown.
Speaker B:I think this was like during Crash, during the Crash era.
Speaker B:And he shared her album, your new album.
Speaker B:He said congratulations to her.
Speaker B:She put it was on her stories, that kind of thing.
Speaker B:There's a conversation about it that if someone.
Speaker B:Because I know what happened with Chris Brown and Kehlani, I think that's the reason why Tinashe and Chris Brown fell out.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's the reason why Zendaya.
Speaker B:Cause Zendaya and Chris Brown had a song together.
Speaker B:And that's the reason why that didn't happen.
Speaker B:Because he mocked Kehlani's suicide attempt.
Speaker B:Attempt, you know, alleged.
Speaker B:Or is he alleged?
Speaker B:Or was that.
Speaker A:No, it was.
Speaker A:I remember that clear as day.
Speaker A:That was when Twitter was.
Speaker A:Twitter at the peak of his time.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And, you know, she was going through that Kyrie Irving like relationship, and then that relationship ended, that we now know.
Speaker A:And then she went back to Party Next Door.
Speaker A:And then she, you know, she wasn't in a great space, understandably so.
Speaker A:But he essentially was like, you should have did it.
Speaker A:Like, that's essentially what he said.
Speaker A:And there's just been no dialogue on the Internet about it.
Speaker A:And again, they don't owe us nothing.
Speaker A:We are just observers.
Speaker A:They are the actual people.
Speaker A:But it is weird for, like, I was thinking about this today.
Speaker A:It is weird for, like, her to just quietly accept that.
Speaker A:And he also has been the one of the biggest megaphones for Tory Lanez.
Speaker A:And she specifically took Tory Lanez off of the Canai track back when it was good until it wasn't.
Speaker A:So it's like I just.
Speaker A:It's hard for me to hold.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I hold people's humanity.
Speaker A:And also Kehlani, love her down literally every project.
Speaker A:I got everything on vinyl, almost everything.
Speaker A:I got the newest one, too.
Speaker A:I loved Crash.
Speaker A:The Crash era.
Speaker A:But I cannot advocate for my girl.
Speaker A:You don't like Crash?
Speaker B:Not really, no.
Speaker B:I like Amy.
Speaker B:8 Was a good song.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Y' all sleep on Crash.
Speaker A:And maybe it's because I, too, was sliding down the wall in that time.
Speaker B:Time.
Speaker A:But I liked Crash.
Speaker A:There's so many good things on out.
Speaker A:Don't make me pull up the track list.
Speaker A:Y' all sleep eight.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But the thing is.
Speaker B:Well, no pop driven.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I'm not Pop driven.
Speaker B:I like R B.
Speaker B:Crash is not R B.
Speaker B:Crash is like.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It's R B inspired.
Speaker A:You like eight because of the Christina Aguilera.
Speaker A:No, that's not.
Speaker A:That's not that one.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh, you got me a.
Speaker B:Is that.
Speaker B:It's what she wants.
Speaker B:That's the Kristen.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Groove Theory.
Speaker A:You don't like Groove Theory?
Speaker A:After.
Speaker A:Everyone likes After Hours.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:What other song?
Speaker A:I and I. Yeah, I was sliding down the wall.
Speaker A:I liked Sousia.
Speaker A:I loved Vegas.
Speaker A:Chapel was everything.
Speaker A:And I think that's because I like Fable.
Speaker B:Vegas wasn't bad, though.
Speaker B:I think I kind of liked Vegas.
Speaker A:The Lose my wife, the country, the twine.
Speaker A:I was not a fan, but I see why she went there.
Speaker A:That was the era of.
Speaker A:Of Cowboy Carter.
Speaker A:So it's like everybody was doing a little country spiel, you know that.
Speaker B:Was that about her alleged wife?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Ooh, child.
Speaker A:I saw her.
Speaker A:She posted something yesterday.
Speaker A:Actually, this is a tangent, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:She posted something yesterday about how we don't like cops, but how we're policing each other.
Speaker A:But it was really all about how people are taking pictures of celebrities, like, in their, like, casual public environment and, like, how we're all weird.
Speaker A:But this is some lore right here.
Speaker A:Why would you put Lose my wife and I love you, Kehlani.
Speaker A:I love you down.
Speaker A:I love you down.
Speaker A:I really do.
Speaker A:I like your songs.
Speaker A:I like your music, but we can't.
Speaker A:You can't participate in it and then be like, why y' all asking about my personal life?
Speaker A:It was like, you just.
Speaker B:Hello, Kehlani.
Speaker B:I, I. I try to just stay away.
Speaker B:Cause I, like, I just stay away from everything.
Speaker B:I just focus on your music, the music.
Speaker B:Watch a few interviews, you know, stay away from the drama.
Speaker A:The music is what I try to focus on.
Speaker A:But it's hard because with social media, if, like, that's how I feel about all artists, I'm like, if you're talking online, if you're, like, adding to discourse, if you are retweeting things, reposting things, you in the TikTok comments, you adding fuel to the fire.
Speaker A:Like, get a burner.
Speaker A:Like Beyonce.
Speaker A:Beyonce got hella burners.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:She do.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And guess what?
Speaker A:I'm not advocating for Beyonce either.
Speaker A:Love her down.
Speaker A:I really do.
Speaker A:I would eat her last, as the people will say.
Speaker A:Like, if you eat the rich, like, I would eat her last.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:And I would savor every moment.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I just.
Speaker A:You can't be part of the discourse and be mad.
Speaker B:Do you feel like with social media, do.
Speaker B:Do you feel like it has changed how we're consuming music now?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:That's how, like, we shifted from, like, people having two years to do a project versus, like, you know, dropping single after single after single.
Speaker A:And then by the time you get the whole project, it's like, all these are the singles.
Speaker A:Singles, or these are singles from three, four years ago.
Speaker A:Like, with Cardi.
Speaker A:B Album.
Speaker A:Album.
Speaker A:I love the album.
Speaker A:I thought it was really strong.
Speaker A:But why is Bongos on there?
Speaker A:And why is Wap on there?
Speaker A:Cardi, why is Wap on your most recent album that dropped this past year?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A: What came out in: Speaker A:We was the house.
Speaker A:When you dropped WAP and you put it on this album, like, that's.
Speaker A:That's the type of thing is, like, the.
Speaker A:The rollout be really dragging.
Speaker A:Dragging.
Speaker B:But also, like, I feel like back in the day, I think people will promote their albums for two years, three years.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:One single for six months, one single for eight months.
Speaker B:Right now you're getting three singles in two months, and you're like, damn.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I'm just, you know, enjoying this single.
Speaker B:Am I?
Speaker B:Like, Flo has a song called Leak it that I really like.
Speaker B:I have heard it, and they released.
Speaker B:I have Heard it is Wild.
Speaker B:But anyways, they released.
Speaker B:They released Leaky, and in a couple of months, they released another single.
Speaker B:I'm like, that y' all didn't.
Speaker B:You haven't promoted Leaky to the full.
Speaker B:Fullest of your potential.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We haven't performed this on every morning show, every late night show, bro.
Speaker B:You, like, people aren't what, the cur.
Speaker B:Anymore.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker B:People don't want to walk anymore.
Speaker A:They don't work anymore.
Speaker A:But I think that's also, like, the record company's faults, too, because, like, they act like we move so fast beyond things, and that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker A:I think it's more so you need to be able to ride it out in a creative way.
Speaker A:Like, there's been songs, I'd be like, oh, you stomped this into the ground.
Speaker A:Like, love Kehlani down.
Speaker A:A perfect example.
Speaker A:I love Folded.
Speaker A:Folded will never be old in this house.
Speaker A:House.
Speaker A:But she rolled, she rode.
Speaker A:Folded to the.
Speaker A:To the wheels fell off.
Speaker A:Folded is still in the top 10 to this day.
Speaker A:And I understand, like, get your.
Speaker A:Get your.
Speaker A:Get your.
Speaker A:Your listens.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, like, it's.
Speaker A:It's either they're too long of a rollout, and we're riding the Single forever and ever and ever.
Speaker A:Or it's like, drop this, drop that, drop this, drop that.
Speaker A:And now I have an album.
Speaker A:And then the next year, you're like, it's a new era.
Speaker A:It's time for another project.
Speaker A:And it's like, we still nibbling on.
Speaker A:We still nibbling, you know, and it's okay.
Speaker A:Like an artist, like El Me Love, El Me down.
Speaker A:He dropped two projects within the two albums within the span of six months.
Speaker A:And I'm still.
Speaker A:I'm going to the concert tonight.
Speaker A:And I'm not.
Speaker A:I haven't studied.
Speaker A:I don't know this.
Speaker A:I don't know the newest project.
Speaker A:I know the old one.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I'm supposed to be at that concert.
Speaker B:I sold my tickets.
Speaker A:The one in Atlanta?
Speaker B:Yeah, tonight, actually.
Speaker B:The concert tonight.
Speaker A:You love Atlanta.
Speaker B:I was supposed to be there, but I was like, if I go, I'm gonna go to Cleveland for my birthday, and then I'm going to Atlanta.
Speaker B:It's just too much money.
Speaker B:But, yeah, we talked about this.
Speaker A:Yeah, talk to me about this.
Speaker B:I don't know what I've been.
Speaker B:The best place to listen to, to see him live, but also, like, if I'm seeing you live, I need a little bit of something extra.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know why I'm whispering.
Speaker A:Because it's a hot take.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know if he can give me what I want.
Speaker A:You're part of the problem.
Speaker A:You're part of the problem these days.
Speaker A:You want the girls to pop, lock, drop, sing, like, crowd control.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I do enjoy an acoustic session.
Speaker B:I'm very artsy.
Speaker B:I like the, you know, give me that.
Speaker B:But I've seen the videos I've seen of him live.
Speaker B:It hasn't really done anything to me.
Speaker B:Like, if I want to sing along to his music, I will play it.
Speaker B:And I play songs a lot.
Speaker A:You see?
Speaker B:Useless without you.
Speaker B:You played it to the ground.
Speaker B:Reclusive.
Speaker B:Is it reclusive?
Speaker A:No, it's reclusive.
Speaker B:Play it to the ground.
Speaker B:Break my hurricane.
Speaker B:That's my jam, you know?
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:You tell me, you know, you give me a.
Speaker B:Give me feedback, you know, after.
Speaker B:After the show and let me know.
Speaker A:Absolutely, Absolutely.
Speaker A:I love live shows, so I'm gonna.
Speaker A:I'm gonna find a reason to enjoy it.
Speaker A:And I love a little bevy while I'm enjoying a live show, so.
Speaker B:And I feel like the cool, the.
Speaker B:The kind of person I would like to D kind of room.
Speaker B:I like a very nice artsy gay, you know, that is like, that likes, you know, theater and likes music.
Speaker B:I likes a little bit of culture.
Speaker B:You know, that's my vibe.
Speaker B:I like.
Speaker B:I like an artsy gay, you know, but I do like all the gays, you know, I. I'm down for whatever, wherever, but, you know, I. I'm.
Speaker B:I'm drawn to someone who is like a ballet teacher or who is.
Speaker B:Or who is a choreographer on Broadway or if you like.
Speaker B:I'm Dr.
Speaker B:I'm dressed in that kind of thing.
Speaker A:Carrie, please.
Speaker A:But I don't know if, like, this crowd will be giving gay.
Speaker A:I think it's gonna give lesbian a little bit, but I don't know if it's gonna.
Speaker A:I think it's gonna be like men who definitely be in the.
Speaker A:In the vinyl crates type of vibe.
Speaker A:Old school hip hop.
Speaker A:And it's gonna be a little bit of the lesbians.
Speaker A:I think it's gonna be mixed.
Speaker A:Gonna be a lot.
Speaker A:It's gonna be some, like, you know, women.
Speaker B:There'll be some gays there.
Speaker A:Yeah, sprinkle.
Speaker A:A sprinkle of gays.
Speaker B:There'll be some gays.
Speaker B:I know it'll be RT gays, you know, I' the conscious gays, the conscious community people.
Speaker B:You know, I thought that was us.
Speaker B:I'm not conscious.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:I'm not grand rising.
Speaker B:I'm not doing that.
Speaker A:Oh, that's what you mean.
Speaker B:That's grand rising.
Speaker B:I'm not grand rising, my brother, you know?
Speaker B:You know, I'm peace and blessings.
Speaker B:Peace and love to you.
Speaker A:It's kind of gotten ingrained in me a little bit because I live in Atlanta, so it's always like, what's up Queen?
Speaker A:Like, I end the phone calls.
Speaker A:Peace.
Speaker A:Like, I definitely one of those.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker B:I could do what's up queen.
Speaker B:I can do what's up King.
Speaker B:I can do peace.
Speaker B:Grand Rising takes me out all the time.
Speaker B:I don't know where all the time.
Speaker B:What is the.
Speaker B:What is the origin of grand race?
Speaker A:I want to say, but last time I like said there even anything on the.
Speaker A:This word H O T E P on the Internet.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They're a gang.
Speaker A:That's a gang for sure.
Speaker A:Not in a bad way.
Speaker A:Not in a discriminatory way.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to say that.
Speaker A:But, you know, they.
Speaker A:They ride at dawn, at.
Speaker A:In the afternoon, any time of day in the name of h chose.
Speaker B:I stay far away from them.
Speaker B:I'm like, I respect you.
Speaker B:Respect you.
Speaker B:I go to like, the black market here.
Speaker B:I have a black market that happens every month.
Speaker B:And I go there and there's a guy who sells, like, a bunch of books, you know, in the black market.
Speaker B:Like, he has, like, a huge collection.
Speaker B:Like, feels like Three Tables joined together.
Speaker A:They like Dr. Sebi books.
Speaker B:And the mix.
Speaker B:There's a.
Speaker B:There's that.
Speaker B:Cats.
Speaker B:You will find Fred Hampton's biography.
Speaker B:You will find a Dr. Sebi Manuel.
Speaker B:You will find Malcolm X by bio.
Speaker B:You will find the people with the.
Speaker B:I'm speaking so much.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's for everybody, but it's very.
Speaker B:Okay, very.
Speaker B:It's for everybody, but it's.
Speaker B:But it's Leans heavily.
Speaker A:H A T E P. Yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I feel like we've been around the.
Speaker B:World in iii, you know, trying to find our baby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But we did it.
Speaker B:We did it right here.
Speaker B:Oh, you found your baby.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:We did it.
Speaker B:We're here.
Speaker B:We are.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:I'm trying to.
Speaker B:I'll try to tell your beast that is so.
Speaker A:You're so generous by saying that.
Speaker A:For the record, you know, I'm dibbling and dabbling in summer.
Speaker A:I don't entertain many.
Speaker A:I just entertain the serious ones.
Speaker A:But it's not.
Speaker A:I was about to say it's not anything serious, but then I was like, ooh, it is giving.
Speaker A:Lesbian.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It's developing.
Speaker A:Fuck, yeah.
Speaker A:Let's talk about Gary.
Speaker A:Don't get me started.
Speaker A:The reason why you keep talking about Atlanta is because you want to be down here for some other reasons.
Speaker B:I want to be down here because I feel like Atlanta is where my true love is.
Speaker B:You know, maybe someone.
Speaker A:I never heard nobody say that.
Speaker B:Or maybe someone I've been with before, or someone I'm going to meet in the future.
Speaker B:Or someone that, you know, maybe, you know, I feel like my true love is over there.
Speaker B:Over there.
Speaker A:You don't spin the block.
Speaker A:You never spin the block.
Speaker A:So please be so for real.
Speaker A:You never spin the block.
Speaker A:Not the new, new.
Speaker B:Be.
Speaker B:You know, there's.
Speaker B:You know, people change.
Speaker B:People change.
Speaker A:That's not very Taurus of you to say, but okay, yeah, I believe what I. I see it, but.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It's time for kin lessons, though.
Speaker B:Well, what are you taking away from this episode?
Speaker A:I think I'm taking away in a lot of ways.
Speaker A:I think it's something I've been nibbling on this week around, like, harm.
Speaker A:And, like, we all cause harm.
Speaker A:We all cause harm.
Speaker A:But when, like, harm is done to us, like how we Receive that.
Speaker A:Be so different.
Speaker A:We be.
Speaker A:And understandably so.
Speaker A:And I'm just kind of like, sitting in.
Speaker A:In the thick of that.
Speaker A:Of, like, what does that look like interpersonally, culturally?
Speaker A:Like, especially as the world that we know it is so changing and evolving in, like, you know, my community fighting data centers.
Speaker A:Fuck the data centers.
Speaker A:You know, for example, like, just in those particular ways.
Speaker A:And also, how can we be good to each other and be good keepers of our community?
Speaker A:That's kind of what I'm taking away.
Speaker A:And honestly, I'm trying to think about.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think about a lot of stuff.
Speaker A:I'm like, yes, we looking for belonging, but let's be genuine out here.
Speaker A:If you ain't a doctor, you're not a doctor.
Speaker A:If you're not a.
Speaker A:If you're not a prophet, you're not a prophet.
Speaker A:If you're not a pop star, you're not a pop star.
Speaker A:And that's okay.
Speaker A:Be who you are.
Speaker A:That's why I'm taking away from it.
Speaker B:Pride Month is around the corner, so.
Speaker A:I know that's okay.
Speaker A:And I'm ready because, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's Pride forever.
Speaker A:As soon as June hits, we.
Speaker A:We doing Pride till MLK weekend in Atlanta.
Speaker A:So I'm ready.
Speaker B:Atlanta.
Speaker B:Has someone said it's always pride in Atlanta?
Speaker B:If it's me, the King's birthday, and it's Winter Pride, Spring.
Speaker B:Do you have a.
Speaker B:Do you have a Spring Pride?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then there is for Memorial Day,.
Speaker A:Memorial Day and Juneteenth.
Speaker A:Be lit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then there's Pride Month, and then there is Black Pride, and then there's your regular pride that feels like.
Speaker A:White Pride.
Speaker A:I call the October Pride White Pride.
Speaker A:A lot of us do, actually, down here.
Speaker B:But it also feels very like.
Speaker B:Because I feel like.
Speaker B:I hear that that also feels very like there's activity for the people, you know, during that.
Speaker B:In October as well.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I want to live in Atlanta.
Speaker B:I think that's where I want to live.
Speaker A:Live.
Speaker A:You go back and forth all the time.
Speaker A:You be like, Atlanta, Houston, D.C. have you said Houston?
Speaker B:I don't think I'll ever live in Houston.
Speaker B:But I like Houston, though.
Speaker B:I just spread out and I don't drive.
Speaker B:And so, you know, we need to change that.
Speaker A:You need to drive if you here, son.
Speaker A:But we're going on and on.
Speaker B:I'm taking an Uber.
Speaker B:But, yes, you give a.
Speaker A:You give a Midtown girly, for sure.
Speaker A:But, Harry, what are you taking away?
Speaker A:What is your kids lesson from this.
Speaker B:Episode lesson, I would say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think, like you, I'm thinking about the belonging piece and that in the.
Speaker B:In the search for belonging, we should try not to harm each other.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Cause I think that that's.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I think that is the.
Speaker B:That's been the true line of our conversation.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:People are looking for belonging, and because of that, you know, people are taking advantage of that search.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, I'm just, you know, try.
Speaker B:Cause I'm doing that, you know, I'm using.
Speaker B:Including my company that's doing, like, events in Minneapolis and stuff for black queer folks.
Speaker B:And so I'm trying.
Speaker B:So I'm learning that.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We should try to be more intentional in how we're doing that as well over here.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I love this episode.
Speaker A:This was good.
Speaker B:Me, too.
Speaker B:Our first episode.
Speaker B:We did it.
Speaker B:We should.
Speaker B:A round of applause.
Speaker B:A round of applause.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:We did it.
Speaker B:Shout out to you.
Speaker B:You just being ready and open and I'm excited for the future.
Speaker B:It's gonna be good.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Shout out to you chosen kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thanks, y', all for watching or listening, whatever you're doing, if you're watching.
Speaker B:Thank you for watching if you're listening.
Speaker B:Thank you for listening.
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Speaker B:And we will see you in our next episode.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In our next episode.
Speaker A:Bye, friends.
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